Post by danecityacres2 on Feb 3, 2018 21:23:17 GMT -5
Hi All, I’m still fairly new to goats. We had our “queen” beat up one of the smaller girls yesterday. Not a new goat and they had been coexisting fine previously but for some reason yesterday she was ramming her into a corner and the walls harshly yesterday. The injured girl is 11 months old Boer cross. She now has a big bump protruding from her right side about 8 x 5. Feels between soft and firm. She doesn’t seem interested in food but is drinking but definitely down just standing there with head down. We are wondering if it’s an abdominal hernia. Does anyone have experience with this or know if it may be something else?
Is there any chance the goat is bred? It may be a kid positioning or knocked off it's shelf. They kind of stack up inside and I have had kids I had to find the hard way by gently pushing on the outside of the goat to get the kid to move down. When you learn to Bounce a doe looking for kids after a birthing it is good to check the doe out by doing that as well. If she is bred she may have some complications and need your help when it is time to kid. You might end up pulling a dead kid. You might end up with a breech. Her hormones to deliver will not get the doe in labor unless there are other kids alive inside but usually the dead one needs pulled and it will be stained. After which she will need antibiotic treatment. I have had unbred does beat a bred doe or even door punch them. So I try to run them separate unless the unbred is a JR Doe.
If this is a hernia though and the intestine has passed through the continuity of the abdominal wall it will become strangulated, causing severe pain and necrosis because the circulation is being cut off. The animal will more than likely die unless a Vet is called IF that is what is wrong.
What I suggest too also do if your herd is horned is too look and feel with your hands under that does sternum. You know the breastbone area between the front legs. If you look without feeling with your hand you may miss it that is why this is important. Even if all you see is redness with no blood on the hide. See if she has been horned up between there. Especially IF under her eyes looks like she also went suddenly anemic. If she has been horned the hide with tear and the flaps of the torn hide will be inward (later to die and cause infection if the wound is not cleaned up). The doe might go down and have the tear in her hide covered in a little mud and the only way to find that one is by feeling really good. It hides well. It is the number one hidden wound while people go crazy with worm treatments and antibiotics for infections. If she has a hole there you don't want to stick your finger in it. The heart and lungs lay just behind that and if you touch in there that is what your poking. I would use the pink antifungus solution or Sevlon to clean the wound and then use EMT Gel or also the Resin product from Well Horse. Change the bandages every day and use gauze pads and an underpad like a human assurance pad under her sternum if she is down and it is bad. She will also need antibiotics. I suggest either the LA200 or the no sting Biomycin. However at the point she gets her lungs filling you would need a Vet script for I suggest Zactran gamithromycin. Those types of wounds can heal if the wound is debridded and treatment for the wound has began early enough. Surprisingly this type of injury can bleed right out and the doe won't have any on her. She may stand with her head down if she does not go down right away. Later her back end may buckle and then she may kneel or go down. Of course you would also need to treat for anemia. Did you see any blood anywhere or on other goats? Maybe see something in a feed pan you thought was molasses and a peed pan? It could be the missing blood if she has the hidden wound.
When viewed from behind if the swelling is behind the last rib to the back of the goat on the left side and as high as the spine or swelled on both sides that is probably just bloat. Sometimes another goat will knock into a bloated one to get it too release the gas before it dies from it's throat being cut off from breathing. If it is just that I suggest 15-30cc Milk Of Magnesia drenched . Or Mineral Oil. If none of that works a TBSP of plain Dawn dish soap in some water will usually get rid of it within an hour. If it is frothy bloat they sell something for that at feed stores but you should not use it if you have tried the other methods.
Post by danecityacres2 on Feb 4, 2018 13:34:21 GMT -5
Thank you so much for all of the info going to look her over again after reading. It’s definitely her right side so I had assumed not bloat. I don’t believe her or the “bully” are pregnant but couldn’t guarantee 100% but if she was would only be by a month or so, with baby not being big enough to show like that on the side I don’t think. She’s pure white definitely no blood anywhere but I worry about the possibility of a hernia. She is still moving around, drinking and started being interested in food again today (wasn’t yesterday). If it was a hernia would she stop eating and drinking if intestines being cut off?
Do you have a vet that you work with? If so, you may want to call them to see if they feel this is something they should see her for. Most will answer a question like that over the phone if you are an established client. If you don't have one, this might be a good time to find one so you have one available that will treat your goats when there is an emergent need.
If it is a hernia she will show signs of colic as well and once pain begins in any animal they go off feed. Yours resuming to eat I would think is a good sign but I would watch her pretty close. If she was older I would also say possible calcified fetus but at 11 months the kid would not really start to show until the fifth month. Even if she was bred at 8 months it would only be 3 months into it. That would of been pretty early but can happen if you have a buck/billy around.
On the hidden injury I was talking about goats with white coats when I said that type of horn injury can be missed. With no sign of blood. I have even seen goats walk a bit and not actually go down until the next day. It can bleed straight down between the legs and the blood not get on the legs or chest. It has to do with the way the hide is. Imagine a drum with a thick cover. When it gets poked the hide tears in slits or larger holes are triangular. Yet the tore hide is usually still attached around the injury and can come back together a bit, making a funnel. Then granulated material swells to cut off the loss of blood and the animal can be right in front of someone with a little redness or dirt on the sternum covering the injury, and it won't be noticed. Of course after such an injury most goats will stand with the front feet squared up and the blood streams straight down. Other goats may show up with some blood on them and then it is a guessing game who got hurt and what happened. Obvious things that might get blood on goats of course like torn ears and cuts are looked for but maybe the hurt one just gets anemia and eventually goes down. It is a serious injury because if you look at a goats sternum from underneath you see it goes from the flat area rising up towards the leg. If it gets infected the hide lays open from the sternum to the armpit. While that heals and unbelievable as it is it can heal but it also depends on how far upwards the injury went into the chest. As I said the heart and lung are right behind that area. When the horn strike happens it also takes dirt and hair up into the wound and if it is warm weather that becomes a breeding ground for maggots and the hide may cover over until the wound abscesses. Of course some animals die from that type of event by the infection or injury to the organs. Just never hurts to look. Yet if the animal is heavy it is very hard to look there because they won't stand up on any thing as the front legs eventually go outwards and they can't use them. I hope your goat gets better. Goatmom is right about having a Vet you can turn too when needed.