Just a quick question I just got my new herd start this Sunday. They seemed to be doing well but they are all only about 7 weeks old. We put them in the new lot. Where we got them from there wasn't a lot of grass and the lot we put them in has lots of grass. One of my new babies has black feces all down the back legs. Another has some on its tail. I was told they were weaned and ready to go home, they were still in the same pen as their parents though. I am worried I am not doing everything right for them. I feed them the pelleted goat food that the farm said they ate. and I know they have about ate all of the grass around the new pen. I don't see any watery discharge just not pelleted as it was. What can I do for my babies that may help. We put out some baking soda so that if needed they can nibble it. Also would like to know about how much food I should be putting out for them each day. I fill the pan full and if empty fill it again before bedtime. Any help would be appreciated as we are newbies to keeping goats. I was also told they hadn't been vaccinated so we were going to start that this weekend but I am worried about doing that now. Thanks in Advance.
First of all, you need to call whoever you bought them from and ask if they were still nursing the does. At 7 weeks, they are too young to be weaned...in my opinion.
Do they have hay? Feed should not be fed free choice. Hay should be the main portion of their diet with grain/pellets as a supplement. At that age, I would be giving maybe a cup twice a day of feed per kid.
I would be VERY concerned about your current situation. Scouring is not good. It is likely caused by a combination of many things...being taken away from the does (stress of being separated and moved to a new home) and dietary changes (no longer nursing, likely overeating on the pellets and too much fresh grass) causing rumen upset. The fact that they are not yet vaccinated worries me even more as enterotoxemia (what CD&T is meant to prevent) is triggered by diet/overeating.
Are these kids drinking plenty of water? If they are scouring, you certainly don't want them to get dehydrated. The first thing I would do is move them to a pen without the grass in it (stall in the barn?) and just give them hay and water for a couple of days. Baking soda is fine if they will eat it. At that age, they may not be eating much of it. You need to get the scours straightened.
You did not indicate if these are your first goats and how many you bought, but that might be good info to share as well. If there are just two of them, a feed pan full of pellets is way too much for them. If you bought a bunch of them, it may not be too much. If these are your first goats (you did indicate you are newbies), there is a great deal of information for you to learn about caring for them.
If you do not yet have a vet, find one in your area that will treat goats and find out if they do farm calls, etc. Getting to know the vet you intend to use BEFORE you need one is highly recommended as it is very hard to find one when you are in a crisis.
I do not advocate giving anything to stop the scours immediately as the body needs to rid itself of any toxins ingested due to overeating. However, you do not want them getting dehydrated so it is a delicate balance. I normally will treat after 24 hours if it is not clearing up on its own. You can safely use Pepto Bismal or Kaopectate (child's dose) on goats. Do NOT use Immodium as it paralyzes the rumen and if the goat's rumen stops, it is usually fatal.
This link may be helpful for you to read. Please note that I feel the scouring you are observing is most likely caused by diet so I would not jump to treat for cocci, worms, etc. based on what you have shared. If reading the article convinces you that one of those causes may be to blame, then check with the breeder you bought these kids from to see if they have had any prior issues or treatment for such or your vet about how to treat.
Post by Bob Breese on Mar 27, 2014 23:09:12 GMT -5
I have to agree with all the things which goatmom has already suggested. I would not give the CD/T vaccine until the current problem is resolved. Also, I'd cut back on the "pellets". Not sure what type of feed you mean by that. But it would be better to try to get them to eat some good hay. And they will need hay forever after that. The abundance of fresh spring grass and the stress of moving are probably the cause of what you are seeing. Give it a day to work itself out and get back to us. We can suggest some meds if the problem continues. In the meantime you can review some suggested lists of things to keep on hand for treating common ailments.
Yes these are our first goats, I was advised they probably weren't completely weaned, so we have went on a diet of Hay and water with only a cup of feed per goat for now. It seems to be straightening up some. I absolutely adore my three new little doelings. My next question is do I need to look for a specific type of hay to feed them. We will be getting it from several local farmers who have timothy alfalfa mixes, my worry is that some of them have clover in the fields as well and we have been told this isn't to good for my little girls. Do I need to look for specific grasses in a hay mix for them.
Timothy and alfalfa are both fine for does. I believe clover is fine as well. I'm not sure what part of the country you are in, but the clover we have here in Indiana is fine. My goats loved it and ate it many times with no problems. It seems there may be a type of clover that they cannot have, but I can't recall what kind it is.
Help..my first milking goat is a la Mancha who lost her billy about 3 months ago...and then 2 weeks later had black mastistis...thank God I got it treated right away and we had to give her antibodics for 10 days. She has been giving us 4 litres of wonderful milk till just a day or 2 ago it has decreased by half. She is not eager for her breakfast (apple, carrots, sometimes black sunflower seeds, and celery as well as a scoop of oats morning and evening)this morning...not at all like her these last 4 months. Then this evening I noticed runny diareha. One other time when she was obviously off her food, we gave her some pepto and she was fine by the next morning...and normally I give her some apple cider in each warm water drink which she savors post milking...But haven't had the money to get any for about 2 weeks so she is offered the warm water but seldom drinks it now. I fear she has gotten too much greens. Our grass is growing so fast and is so lush. I will try taking her off grass for 24 hrs and just give her hay and water. If she still looks unwell in am we will force some water in via the pepto syring. She is my first goat (we keep a little dwarf companion wether who is 8, she is 5 and he is never sick, just came to us very overweight). She came to us about 6 months ago, kidded and the billy boy died within a few hours, she cried and I cried with her...then she licked me and she began to bond with me. She is now a very nice goat, comes for rubs, gets massages after each milking and goes on walks with us and the dog each day..we love her. But I have a ton to learn. Has anyone else used charcoal? I use it for myself with psyillim once in a while and love it. Can goats have yogart, or kefir? My chickens get it (made from goat milk) as I have heard probodics are good for them.
Snowpeach - I have moved your post to a thread of its own in the Urgent Care forum....Please see my response there. I believe it may get seen by more people there than having it tagged onto an older thread.