???New at having to bottle feed newborns.. I've always had 'good luck with good mom's' now I have 2 Mom's that have completely rejected their babies.. I have Unimilk which I fed my two babies for two days they ate good and were strong..and then I lost them suddenly..?? Is it the milk? What did I do wrong? They ate every 4-6 hours 8 oz.. then suddenly were dying.. nothing helped.. I have one that is still alive and doing well don't want to lose him too if I'm using the wrong milk replacement.. Can anyone tell me the best replacement for mama's milk..?
Is there any chance you can milk the does and use their milk or did you lose them too? If you don't have goat milk available, my second choice would be whole cow's milk from the store. Replacers are very hard to use with good results. I've heard a lot of horror stories about lost kids from various milk replacer.
The biggest thing to remember with any kind of milk being bottle fed to kids is to not give too much at a time. Baby goats typically take just a couple of ounces at a time...quick suck here and there as they bounce past the teat. As they grow, they gradually drink longer and longer until they are consuming more at a time. 8 oz is a lot for a newborn kid of any kind of food source. I would cut back to 3 to 4 oz initially and feed every 3 to 4 hours around the clock. Gradually increase an ounce at a time until they are up to 8 to 10 oz at a time when they are a couple of weeks old. I've only bottle fed one due to the doe having quads and rejecting the runt, but I believe this was how we did it. If anyone with more bottle baby experience can add to this, please jump in and help us out here!
Thank you for the info..! I hate to think that I may have over fed them but I guess that could've been the case. I can't get mama's milk, I tried... She's very young also..not sure if that has anything to do with rejecting the baby.. she doesn't seem to have any milk. I have switched to Evaporated milk with just a tsp of the Unimilk desolved in warm water added in. And feeding less at at time..So far so good. I hope that will work.. Also gonna get some whole milk.
Bob I couldn't pull up that thread..said it no longer exhisted.
I did read on the site about the Evaporated milk so that's why I switched to that. I sure hope I'm doing the right thing with the little one. It hurts to lose one. I have two more young mom's fixing to deliver, I hope I have better luck with them. My neighbors goat jumped our fence and ended up getting my young does pregnant..I guess they just weren't old enough yet for a pregnancy and taking care of a baby.. Thanks so much for any input!
I would agree with Bob on only short-term use of the evaporated milk.
The loss of the kids could also be related to them not getting colostrum (or enough colostrum if they got some), but overfeeding is often an easy mistake that many have made. A hard lesson for sure but one you won't repeat once you realize the danger.
Thanks Y'all.. Okay I will now switch to the recipe you wrote Bob.. I guess that will be better than the powder mix I have or just straight evaporated milk. I'm now bottle feeding 5 babies..thankgoodness my kids are here to help me.. One is very weak and probably won't make it...One is blind. This has been very hard on us...I'm hoping these babies can pull through. I don't know....but I have to wonder if there is such a thing as the Mom knowing something is wrong with the babies and therefor leaving them to die..? Survival of the fittest? My Mom swears the Mama goat can tell somethings not right with them and will abandon them...so she thinks I'm making a bed in a burning house.. But I feel I have to try for those poor little ones... Thanks again for your help!
Post by Rose's Goats on Dec 20, 2010 13:10:30 GMT -5
Good luck with your little babies. I agree that feeding smaller amounts more often is better than large amounts less frequently. Usually a kid will get scours (diarrhea) if fed too much at a time. This is my sign to back off on the milk a little.
I have heard that you should water down all powdered milk replacers by 1/2 to make them less rich. Most people recommend that if the directions say to mix it 1 cup powder with 1 cup water, that you should use 1 1/2 cups water to 1 cup powder.
I have also heard people do say that mother goats will reject the weak kids or the kids with something wrong with them. It's in the doe's best interest to leave a kid behind if it is going to slow her down to the point where predators can make her and the kid an easy target. It is "survival of the fittest". Sorry to hear that your does are rejecting their kids.
Thanks Rosie's Goats for the good luck wish..and info :-) Still working with them and 4 are doing okay even the blind one, he eats well. One question..Can I just switch out right to the whole milk, buttermilk, evaporated milk mix from the evaporated milk with a touch of the Unimilk mixed in? Or do I have to do a half and half mix of them both first and then gradually make it straight to the whole milk mix? I don't know if I'll throw off their digestion by out right changing it again...Or is it just better to get the whole milk mix in them so they can get the correct formula going... Ahhh I'm just trying to get the best for the little ones so we don't lose anymore.
Post by Rose's Goats on Dec 21, 2010 11:36:07 GMT -5
If they are currently okay on what you are feeding (no diarrhea, good amount of energy -- jumping, playing,) then I would gradually switch over their diet. Gradual is always best as long as they are doing well. Rapid feed switches should be reserved for when kids are sick and need immediate change to get them better again.
Be sure to stock your medicine cabinet with CD antitoxin (not CDT toxoid) and Di-Methox drinking water solution. I find these two things come in handy with all kids.
The CD antitoxin is for immediate treatment of entertoxemia caused by Clostridium perfingens Types C and D. If your does were not vaccinated in the last 6 weeks of pregnancy with CDT toxoid, I would keep CD antitoxin on hand for treating diarrhea caused by entertoxemia. If the does were vaccinated, then some immunity should have been transferred to the kids through the colostrum and placenta. If the kids did not receive adequate colostrum within the first 24 hours of birth, then I would use the CD antitoxin for treatment of diarrhea.
The Di-Methox drinking water solution is good for the treatment of coccidiosis (an internal parasite but not a worm). Kids are VERY prone to coccidiosis when they are between 8 and 12 weeks old. If they get brown, stinky, pudding-like diarrhea at this age, then treat for coccidiosis. I give Di-Methox orally 1.5 cc 2X a day for one week. I also give plenty of Probios probiotic paste during treatment to replenish the good rumen bacteria that can be killed by the Di-Methox. After the initial one week treatment, you can follow with 1.5 cc per week until they are weaned from milk. This will help prevent recurrent cases.
Thank you Rose's Goats.. I'm switching over now to the homemade formula..slowly. Sadly I lost the little girl, she never did well at all but we tried.. :-( The four boys are doing well and active. So far so good on their poop and energy but I'm gonna get all the meds you mentioned just incase. I'm hoping it continues to go great with them.. This site has been a blessing!! I've learned so much on here... Thanks for the help!!