Post by potterylover on May 31, 2010 0:43:07 GMT -5
We have a boar kid that has suddenly lost her sight. She had gotten into the goat worker area and could not get out. She actually was in the worker and was acting confused and started running into the fence. My husband took her to the barn and set her down to let her calm down to see if she was just scared. however, she started to run into things in the barn and sould not find the door. He took a light out to see if she would turn away from the bright light shining toward her face, she in fact acted as if she could not see it. To our knowledge she has not been in contact with any plants or chemicals that could have caused this. We do not keep any meds around the worker or in the barn, they are kept in the house. No other kid has shown any of these symptoms. Other than her CD & T shot, she has only had her worming. She done fine with the first CD & T and worming.
She has not shown any signs of pinkeye or eye irritation. If you have any suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated.
Post by garysfarmer on May 31, 2010 6:23:16 GMT -5
I'm sorry for the following being so lenghty. It may be listeriosis or goat polio. The big part of the answer is thamine. It can found as is or in Fortified Vit B Complex, Vit B Complex isn't as good as "Fortified" Vit B Complex. Sorry I couldn't go into more personal detail, but I'm headed out the door. This is some posts I have copied and haven't spent the time to clean them up. So if some of it is repetative you'll understand.
Listeriosis - caused by the bacteria Listeria monocytogenes, found in soil, water, plant litter, silage and goat's digestive tract. Brought on by feeding silage, sudden changes in kind of feed, parasitism, dramatic weather changes and advanced stages of pregnancy.
Symptoms - Depression, decreased appetite, fever, leaning or stumbling or moving in one direction only, head pulled to flank with rigid neck, facial paralysis on one side, slack jaw, and drooling, abortions.
Treatment - Administration of Procaine penicillin every six hours for three to five days, then daily for an additional seven days. Polioencephalomalcia (Goat Polio) - a Thiamine (Vitamin B 1) deficiency. From improper feeding, particularly feeding too much grain and too little roughage.
Symptoms - Excitability, "stargazing", uncoordinated staggering and/or weaving, drunkenness, circling, diarrhea, muscle tremor, head against wall, and apparent blindness. As it progresses, convulsions and high fever may occur, and if untreated, the animal generally dies within 24-72 hours.
Treatment - Thiamine is the only effective therapy, and treatment can result in improvement in as little as two hours, if the disease is caught early enough. Dosage is related to body weight: Daily treatment for 5 days and then weekly as required.
Goat Polio (Polioencephalomalacia) and Listeriosis (Listeria monocytogenes) are metabolic diseases with similar symptoms that require very different treatments. The goat producer must be alert to the subtle differences in order to know how to treat the sick animal. In most cases, both of these diseases are seen in goats raised under intensive management conditions.
Improper feeding, particularly feeding too much grain and too little roughage, is a significant factor in both diseases. Producers pushing the animal to gain weight too fast can induce this often fatal disease in their goats. Sudden changes in feed can also cause the onset of this disease.
Polioencephalomalacia (also known as Cerebrocortical Necrosis) is thiamine (Vitamin B 1) deficiency. Any change in the rumen's environment that suppresses normal flora activity can lead to decreased thiamine production. Too much grain decreases the pH of the rumen, predisposing the animal to Goat Polio. Thiamine must be present in order for glucose to be metabolized. If thiamine is either not present or exists in an altered form (thiaminase), then brain cells die and severe neurological symptoms appear.
Causes of thiamine deficiency include feeding moldy hay or grain, overdosing with amprollium (CoRid) when treating for coccodiosis, feeding molasses-based grains (horse & mule feeds), ingesting some species of ferns, sudden changes in diet, the dietary stress of weaning, and reactions to de-wormers Thiabendazole and Levamisole. Each of these can interfere with Vitamin B1 production. Even the usage of antibiotics destroys flora in the rumen and can lead to thiamine deficiency. This is why it is so important to repopulate the gut with live bacteria after using antibiotics or scour medications. Goat Polio is generally seen most often in weanlings and young adults , in contrast to Listeriosis, which most frequently affects adult goats. An increase in Goat Polio occurs in North America during winter, when the availability of forage and quality hay is low and producers start feeding increased amounts of grain.
Symptoms of Polioencephalomalacia are excitability, "stargazing," uncoordinated staggering and/or weaving (ataxia), circling, diarrhea, muscle tremors, and apparent blindness. Initial symptoms can look like Entertoxemia (overeating disease). There is a component of "overeating" involved in that the rumen flora has been compromised. As the disease progresses, convulsions and high fever occur, and if untreated, the goat generally dies within 24-72 hours.
Diagnosis is available via laboratory tests, but the producer does not have the luxury of the time that such tests take. Thiamine is the only effective therapy, and treatment can result in improvement in as little as two hours, if the disease is caught early enough. Thiamine is a veterinary prescription but very inexpensive. Producers should always keep thiamine on hand. Dosage is related to body weight; 10 mg/kg should be given every six hours for at least 24 hours. (One kilogram equals 2.2 pounds.) Initially, IV dosage is best, but SQ or IM can be used. Some producers even give thiamine orally after the initial treatment. If thiamine is unavailable but the producer has multiple B vitamins on hand, make sure the dosage is based upon the amount of thiamine in the multiple B vitamins. The key to overcoming Goat Polio is early diagnosis and treatment. Complete recovery is possible under such circumstances.
Summary: To try to avoid this disease, decrease grain, increase roughage, avoid moldy hay and grain, and don't feed molasses-based (textured) feeds.It must be said, however, that complete avoidance of Goat Polio is impossible at this time. After doing everything "right," producers will still have a goat come down with it occasionally.
Listeriosis is caused by the bacteria Listeria monocytogenes, which is found in soil, water, plant litter, silage, and even in the goat's digestive tract. The bacteria is known to multiply well in cold temperatures. There are two forms of Listeriosis: one form results in abortions, while the other causes encephalitis. Both types are seldom seen simultaneously in the same herd. The organism can be shed in the milk of both carrier and sick goats. Its zoonotic potential (ability to be transmitted to humans) is of growing concern. Like Goat Polio, Listeriosis is most often seen in intensive management situations.
Unlike Goat Polio, Listeriosis is more common in adult animals than in kids. It is entirely possible to buy infected animals and introduce this disease into a previously uninfected herd, because some goats are carriers who never display any symptoms. Listeriosis is brought on by feeding silage, sudden changes in kind of feed, parasitism, dramatic weather changes, and advanced stages of pregnancy. The encephalitic form is most common, causing inflammation of the nerves in the goat's brain stem.
Symptoms include depression, decreased appetite, fever, leaning or stumbling or moving in one direction only, head pulled to flank with rigid neck (similar to symptoms of tetanus), facial paralysis on one side, slack jaw, and drooling. Diarrhea is presently only in the strain of Listeriosis which causes abortions and pregnancy toxemia. Listeriosis can be mistaken for rabies. Immediate treatment is critical. There is no time to waste with Listeriosis. Recovery is more "iffy" than with Goat Polio. The exact manner in which both Listeriosis and Goat Polio affect the goat is not well understood at this time.
Treatment involves administration of high doses of procaine penicillin every six hours for three to five days, then daily for an additional seven days. Forty-thousand IU per kg of body weight of procaine penicillin is needed to cross the blood brain barrier and put sufficient amounts of the antibiotic into the tissue of the goat's central nervous system. Remember that one kilogram (kg) equals 2.2 pounds.
Prevention: Feed your goats properly. No silage (unless the producer really knows how to use it, and definitely no silage in the hotter and/or wetter climates). No moldy feed or hay. Clean pens. No sudden changes in types of feed. Lots of free-choice quality roughage, particularly in the latter stages of pregnancy. And cut dramatically back on grain!
Post by garysfarmer on May 31, 2010 6:39:03 GMT -5
Here's something else a little bit more condensed;
Listeria/Polio they are so close in symptoms it is hard to figure out I reccomend that you treat for both to be safe. Listeria give Penicillin 1cc/20 lbs sq and orally the first dose then sq every 6 hours for 24-48 hours then 2 times a day for 7 days. Polio give 500mg of Thiamin sq and orally the first dose then orally every 6 hours for 24-48 hours then 2 times a day for 7 days. For the temperature give Banamine 1cc/100 lbs sq evry 8 hours for 24 hours. Make sure the goat is kept hydrated .
I want to point out also that fever is also a symptom of Listeriosis. The linked article also mentions that Listeriosis similar to polio but occurence more likely in adults and the polio in kids. Can you please take her temperature and keep us posted on how she is doing? (The temp is taken in the rectum by inserting the thermometer a couple of inches into it. Use a lubricant and hold on to it because you may loose it in there)
You must give a high enough Pen to to cross the blood brain barrier and put sufficient amounts of the antibiotic into the tissue of the goat's central nervous system. This link is to a web page that has a dosage rate chart(read the label on your Pen vial to make sure the units/ml are the same as shown on the chart)
With goat polio (or the listeriosis), the key word is AGRESSIVE!!!!! You need to do it now and do it often. Thiamine by injection. Fortified Vit B Complex will help. [I've heard both ways: 1) that drench does not work at this point, 2) also heard to do the Thiamine injection as well as the drench so it is working through 2 methods (bloodstream and rumen).] Blindness makes me lean more towards the goat polio (which can be brought on by severe weather changes, change in feed, change in seasons, etc). Once it gets to the blindness state, my method would be go with Thiamine, which is by vet prescription and also the Fort Vit B drench. A few shots of Vit B isn't as expensive as losing a baby (financially or emotionally) so I go with both.
You have to keep on top of it and you must continue for the full time (5-7 days -- 7 is better). Again, AGRESSIVE!
You may also run into multiple diagnoses. Could be both. Hope the kid is better. Keep us posted. Sandra
Last Edit: May 31, 2010 22:51:29 GMT -5 by garyh141