My Bonnie is one year old. She was wormed about 2 weeks ago. She wouldn't come out of the barn today when I went to feed...which is very unusual. She looks like she might be in heat...swollen and reddish in color. But she has black stinky poop on her tail and rear. It's the consistency of glue and smells awful. There was one pile on the barn floor. She feels a little warm like she may have a fever. How do you temp a goat? I gave her pennicillin, 5cc. Her diet consists of hay, chopped corn and rabbit pellets. They have access to hay at all times and the other is fed in a small amount once a day. This diet has not been changed recently. They always have clean water. What could this be? I haven't read any other posts about black stinky poop. Please help! She is a very dear pet and i would hate to lose her. Thank You!!
Corn is not a good food for goats...not so sure about the rabbit pellets, but corn in too large of quantities can make them fat and cause laminitis (founder). It sounds like she has been on this diet for a while so that may not be a factor in the current issue, but I would take a look at maybe getting something made for goats so she has a more balanced ration to meet her needs.
Checking a temp would be done rectally. Normal is 102.5 to 104...could be a bit higher if the goat has been laying in the sun or something without being considered to be elevated.
Is there a chance she got into something toxic that her body could be trying to rid itself of? Many landscaping plants are toxic to goats.
Is there any chance she could be pregnant?
I'm not sure I would give any more penicillin without an elevated temp or reason to suspect some type of infection. Antibiotics can cause issues with the rumen function and shouldn't be overused.
What was she wormed with and what dosage? Did you see signs of needing wormed or was it just done routinely?
Just trying to get more background info so that we can get a better idea of how to help.
Thanks for replying. I started feeding the chopped corn about 6 months ago. I also have a duck who gets corn and the goats love to steal his food! So I started mixing some into their pellets. Plus I started feeding the duck where the goats cannot get to it, in a separate pen. And I have always fed the pellets....alfalfa. They are in the same grazing area as she has been her whole life so I doubt she could have found something new to eat. And she has no access to anything else... Everyone around here feeds the pellets and corn...but I will check with the feed store about something different. No chance at all that she could be pregnant...just her, another doe, the duck, 6 cats and 3 caged rabbits. My boyfriend told me to give the antibiotic...but I do think she has a fever. I routinely worm them, but I had noticed that she was looking thinner than normal. The other doe is fat and happy with no problems. I wormed her and figured the older doe wasn't sharing the feed with her. I wormed them with Panacur...5cc each. What do you think? Right now, both are lying outside the barn sleeping. She just doesn't act normal and I know she feels awful. Thanks so much!!
How is she this morning? I'm not sure why a fever would cause her to have black sticky poop so I'm not convinced of that. I would suggest checking her temp (I like to use a digital thermometer as it is faster and it can't get "sucked in". If you use a regular one, be sure to tie a string to it just in case you need to retrieve it that way.
Does the duck poop in her water supply? I know cocci is species specific, but I'm wondering if the water has been soiled and she may have picked something up that way. We've never had ducks for this reason...I've always worried that the goat buckets would end up being swimming holes and "dumping grounds" so to speak. I dump buckets at least twice daily (more in the summer) so the goats always have access to clean, fresh water. My chickens occasionally roost on the sides of the buckets and let poop drop into the water so I make sure to have several buckets so there is always clean water available.
Is her hay feed in a feeder or on the ground? Feeders are best as the ground can also house contaminants...worms and such.
I'm not sure what the Panacur dose is supposed to be, and I do know that it is not effective on a broad spectrum of worms. You might want to try something that covers more worms and reworm her. I like Ivomec (given orally) or Valbazen. Either should be available by the dose from your vet so you don't have to buy an entire bottle.
Post by Rose's Goats on Mar 19, 2010 8:48:34 GMT -5
It could be coccidiosis. This is an internal parasite that isn't killed by deworming. It requires a sufla drug to kill it. You can use Sulmet Drinking Water Solution 12.5% at 1cc per 5 lbs of goat weight given orally as a drench. Give this for 5 days. There's other sulfa drugs you can use. Look them up in the One Click Reference section of this forum, under Medicine Cabinet. If you give sulfa drugs you have to give Probios probiotic paste every day and for 4 days after finishing treatment because the medicine kills the goat's rumen flora. Probios is good to give every time you deworm or medicate for any reason. Goats can get sick if their rumen flora is disturbed.
As for deworming, I use Ivermectin 1.87% horse paste given at a 3X weight dose (if the goat weighs 100 lbs, give it 300 lbs dose). Ivomec and Valbazan are used by lots of people with good results. You can find worming medicine info and dosage info in the One Click Reference section under Worming Chart. Whenever you deworm, be sure to repeat the dosage in 10 - 14 days to kill anything that has hatched after the first dose. Always follow deworming 24 hours later with a dose of Probios.
As for rabbit pellets and corn, I think those are okay in moderation but probably not okay as a full diet. Goats that aren't pregnant or lactating don't need lots of any kind of grain, so it depends on how much you are feeding them. The hay available all the time is excellent and provides enough calories to keep most goats going.
Whatever you feed, I absolutely recommend giving loose goat minerals. Goats need a surprising amount of minerals to stay healthy so it is very important to give them supplemental minerals at all times. Minerals also help with worm resistance. I recommend Sweetlix Meatmaker 16:8 loose minerals. It can be special ordered through most feed stores and it works for all types of goats. A loose mineral is very important because goats have too small of mouths to get enough out of a mineral block. A goat mineral is very important because any minerals that aren't labeled for goats are usually formulated for sheep and don't have enough copper.
Good luck with your goat! I hope she feels better.
Thanks for all of the great advice and information! I think she is feeling better this morning. She is more like herself. I see no new poop and she doesn't feel feverish this morning. But she does stand with her back slightly arched. I am on my way to the store, feed store and vet to pick up a thermometer and the things you guys suggested. I keep goats because I LOVE them...these girls are my babies. I spoil them rotten and thought I was doing good with their feed as they are nice and fat...and happy! Now I will be making alot of changes... They do have a hay feeder which keeps the hay off the ground. And yes, the duck occacionally bathes in their water bucket. How do I discourage him from doing this? I do change their water daily. Will the sulfa hurt her if it is not cocci? Thanks again and i look forward to your replies...
Fat is not necessarily a good thing for a goat. Do you vaccinate with CD&T? If not, you might want to start since overeating/corn can trigger this problem. I would cut out the grain and just give them free choice hay and the minerals based on what you are describing.
I would try to have several buckets so that if the duck does soil one or two, they still have a clean one to drink from. Most goats will not drink dirty water unless they are REALLY thirsty. I keep a toilet brush (never used in a toilet) hanging on my fence near the water spigot and use it to scrub out the buckets as needed...an easy way to clean them quickly.
Sulfa will not hurt if she doesn't have cocci, but if you see further issues with her droppings being abnormal, I would probably go ahead dose with it.
Post by Rose's Goats on Mar 19, 2010 14:25:01 GMT -5
You can take a fecal sample to a vet and find out if it is cocci or worms. Most vets can do a fecal sample if you drop off a baggy of poop in the morning. Be sure to ask the vet if there is cocci present and what type of worms might be present. Some vets will just say "present" or "not present". It's good to know what exactly is in there.
If you give the sulfa drugs be sure to give the Probios. You can also give her Electrolytes Plus in her water. It is a good mixture that helps out goats that aren't feeling super great. It is good to keep goats on sulfa well hydrated. The electrolytes will also be good without the sulfa drugs. I give them every time a goat is not feeling great.
The CDT vaccine is a good recommendation. It is a shot given once a year subcutaneously. You give 2cc the first time and then give a booster 6 weeks later. After that you repeat one dose every year. CDT is for Clostridium perfingens Type C and D and Clostridium tetani. It protects against enterotoxemia (over eating disease) and tetanus. This is the one vaccine that most people recommend for goats. You can buy it at the feed store.
In addition to the Probios, and worming talked about above, we also like to use Fortified Vitamin B Complex. If there is a rumen issue, the Vit B needs to be replenished. She will need this several days to get her back track. Also, you can't really judge "fat" in a goat the way you would most animals. I've heard of several different ways to check (along the spine using your knuckles and pinching under the neck between their front legs). Sandra
Sounds like everybody pretty much got this covered but I would strongly push the change in diet... you can get "goat feed" from any feed store, etc... goats systems have a lot of needs and that feed is specially formulated with all the essentials good luck!