Post by callen022471 on Jan 24, 2010 10:19:32 GMT -5
I have read the other threads on this topic here - and i think I understand the problem - but I am still not sure what to do about it! My doe that had one kid a week ago has a very uneven udder. I didn't notice it until yesterday - and started milking her last night. This doe has kidded twice before (singles each time) and I milked her last Summer without any problems/mastitis or anything. I guess from reading the other threads that this has happened as a result of the kid nursing only from one teat. This may sound like a silly question - but is he nursing from the one that seems empty or is it the other one (and that's stimulating the doe to produce the most on the side that is full)? Can I reduce the unevenness by milking twice a day only on the side the kid isn't nursing from? Is there anything I need to do to ensure that I am not taking too much milk from the kid? Last year when I was milking this doe I was bottle feeding her kid until he died - but I really don't want to bottle feed this one if possible... The milk I got from the doe seems good - no stringy bits and her udder although it was tight on the large side is not hot or inflamed...
Post by stumpburner on Jan 24, 2010 10:43:27 GMT -5
I have a doe that the first time she was about to give birth, her udder became uneven and I was afraid there was some kind of complication. She's always given twins and all has been fine except that one udder is always very noticably larger. There's no mastitis or infection from the outside and she never appeared to be in pain and both teats give milk so I have just let it be. Other than looking lopsided she gets along fine.
IF the kid is only nursing from 1 side you can milk the ignored side fully. This will help with the uneveness. You could also force the kid to nurse from both sides by taping the favored side up. The uneven udder can cause the doe pain if the teat gets so full it blows out. It will also become so big that its hard for the baby to nurse. I would do what I could to keep both sides somewhat even.
Post by Rose's Goats on Jan 25, 2010 10:21:43 GMT -5
I second what Crocee said. Milk out the full side and the kid will milk out the not full side. I have tried taping teats and haven't had much luck. What I have done is put the goat on the milk stand and force the kid to nurse on the full side by holding the other teat up and away from him. This is labor intensive but it works. Then after the kid is full put him away and milk out whatever is left in mom from both sides. I separate my does and kids so that I how I do it. I let the kids nurse twice a day this way.
Post by callen022471 on Jan 26, 2010 7:15:40 GMT -5
Thanks all - I have been milking the larger side out and she seems to be getting a bit more even. I have even seen the kid nurse from the big side - but only briefly. I think maybe the doe was steering him away from the large side - perhaps because it was painful before it was milked...I'm hoping that as the kid gets bigger she will even out more. He is a feisty little beggar and I think he will soon get to a point where he will ignore his Mama's direction on where to nurse!
Post by HarmonyHill on Jan 26, 2010 9:38:00 GMT -5
Surprisingly enough, I have only had one single, but I did notice that after she got a little bigger and more aggressive with the nursing she would switch from side to side looking for more! I did have to milk one side for a couple of days though until she got the hang of things. Mom was a super mother and would stand and let that doeling nurse for as long as she wanted to. The doeling would get so tired from nursing that I saw her practically falling asleep with the teat in her mouth and that doe would never walk off. I sold that doe late last summer because I kept her doeling. I've often wondered if I should have kept her! Sounds like all is well with yours now and that always makes you feel good!
Post by callen022471 on Feb 11, 2010 12:59:12 GMT -5
Hi Sandra - her last years kid was born weak...that's when I discovered Goatwisdom! I tube fed him within hours of him being born with severely contracted tendons and not being able to stand/nurse - he went hypothermic at one point and I did the warm baths/heating pads - whole shebang! I took him to the vet who gave BoSe shots, Baytril for pneumonia (which he probably got from my first attempt at tube-feeding!!). I spent days trying to keep the little chap going...even took him to work with me...but after 21 days he died. I took his body to the local ag department where they did a necropsy - and they told me he had a congenital disorder where his kidneys were not correctly attached to his ureters - so he couldn't pee properly. On reflection I realized he appeared to pee from his navel - and maybe he was until it healed up and then the poor little chap eventually died from the poison of his own waste that he couldn't get rid of. (You can probably find my threads here from last March/April) So this case was not one of trouble with weaning transition. It would make sense to me that the transition time from all milk to grain/hay in bottle babies would be a kind of stress point that would allow any other weaknesses in the kids to manifest though. By the way - Silky is still pretty lopsided - her this year's kid is still nursing mostly one side - but I am milking her out every morning and it's better than it was and doesn't seem to bother her. This years kid is big and feisty - we called him Trip - and he is just that!
Post by Rose's Goats on Feb 11, 2010 13:28:57 GMT -5
The transition from bottle to hay shouldn't be that hard. As long as you have been supplying hay all along for the kids to chew on and as long as they are in clean living conditions, there should be no problems. Kids can get entertoxemia from overeating too much milk or from e. coli in dirty living conditions so maybe this is where the idea of kids not doing well on bottles comes from. Also if you do not supply hay early enough, their rumens won't start to develop properly and can cause problems in later weeks.