Post by HarmonyHill on Nov 16, 2009 16:28:46 GMT -5
Last week I noticed that one of my doelings (born in April) was standing off by herself with her tail tucked and hunched. I didn't see her eating hay and when I would pour out the grain she would run to it and take a bite then shake it around in her mouth and not really eat. So I caught her (of course the only wild baby I have) and looked in her mouth to see if there was something stuck or a problem tooth etc. Couldn't see a thing. Gave her tetnus anti-toxin and c&d anti-toxin and kept her up for a day or two. Talked to the vet and he thought retained baby tooth and said baytil and banamine, which I did for two days. She started eating again so I turned her back out. Today I notice that she is standing hunched up in the barn door while the rest are out inhaling the hay that I had just put in the feeders. Tail is flat against her bottom and her back is really hunched up. When I fed this afternoon, she did eat some grain and I have seen her poop. Pellets are slightly stuck together but normal in consistancy. They have beeen wormed recently and eyelid color is good, also have been treated for cocci and are on medicated feed for cocci. I did notice that she was in heat last week... I'm just not sure what to do now. Thoughts?
Post by armygoatguy on Nov 16, 2009 19:04:39 GMT -5
I think your on the right track with the mouth, are her teeth lining up correctly with her upper plate? is there any heat or swelling around her jaw? any clicks or pops when she opens and closes her mouth?
Post by HarmonyHill on Nov 16, 2009 20:21:28 GMT -5
Her bite is perfect, no teeth out of alignment that I can find, no thorns etc in her cheeks. I both looked and felt around in her mouth. No swelling on the outside of her jaw either and can't feel anything on the outside of her jaws. She is not tame so I don't get very near her while she is eating to her her chew. I did take her temp this evening and it was 106.4! Immediately gave some baytril and banamine and have her confined to a stall with a heat lamp. Checked it again about 15 mins later and it was down to 105.3.
Post by HarmonyHill on Nov 17, 2009 8:59:12 GMT -5
This morning her temp was 104.5. I gave her some more baytril and banamine and will give some b-complex and probiotics as soon as I get back home. I just can't figure it out. She hasn't coughed once no wheezing...not even so much as a snotty nose. Her tail is up more today and she isn't hunched but not normal by any means. My first thought was pneumonia with this weather, but wouldn't she have some sort of respiratory symptom? Donnie, do you think I should drench with baking soda and water? I have only had lowered body temps with rumen issues so don't know what to do in this case...
Post by garysfarmer on Nov 17, 2009 11:08:58 GMT -5
Harmony, I have read that if a goat stands with a hunched up back it may be because of stomach pain. Probios is good and also "Fortified" vitamin B complex. The stomach pain may be the right conclusion because if you gave them the Fortified B complex and the probios that may have been what helped it on the right track. Could it be too many worms died off at once? Is she regularly wormed since she's a bit wild? How was she wormed? Was she grinding her teeth? Glad to hear she's better.
Post by HarmonyHill on Nov 17, 2009 15:38:49 GMT -5
She is wormed on a regular basis and the last time was with ivomec horse paste at 3 times the horse dose. The high temp is what makes me think it is not just tummy ache but I am treating for tummy ache too. It is cold, wet and miserable here, but she has been in the barn with the others and they don't seem to be too uncomfortable (other than being mad at me because it is raining). She has been grinding her teeth which is what caused me to give c&d anti-toxin. I drenched her with magic mix and some straight electrolytes just a little bit ago although she does not feel dehydrated. Have her in a stall under a heat lamp with hay and water available. I'll check her temp again later when I give her some more warm water. I hate that it stresses her so much for me to mess with her, but she just doesn't like people. She is the only baby I have that doesn't and I have never figured out why she is like that and every other one I have wants to sit in my lap. Oh well, she'll just have to deal with the stress I guess, I have to treat her.
Post by missourigal on Nov 17, 2009 23:33:01 GMT -5
Could she have coccidiosis, with her having fever, & not eating, and hunched up.. Just a thought.. I puzzeled also..I would check her eyelids again and see if they have changed in color.. I had one the other day to go from dark pink to light pink in 2 days.. Of course we do eyecheck every month... And a little cinnamon water would help her tummy also..
missourigal life is like a box of chocolate's you never know which one you will get !!!!!!
Post by missourigal on Nov 17, 2009 23:39:04 GMT -5
I found this also For rehydration & pain use
1 tablespoon of vinegar 1 teaspoon sugar or honey 1 good pinch of salt 1 good pinch of ground ginger 1 good pinch of baking soda put in cup and add enough water to make 1 cup of liquid Drench the hole cup & can repeat often..
missourigal life is like a box of chocolate's you never know which one you will get !!!!!!
We went through this last week with one of our pregnant does (28 days to due date). I talked with a really knowledgable goat person and we decided to treat her for goat polio (deficiency of B1/Thiamine) even though she is 8 years old, due to the fact I gave them some cooked pumpkin. This upset her rumen. Digestive problems can bring on goat polio. In addition, we wormed her and gave her iron dextron (she gets Sweetlix free choice and does eat it). She barely had a temp (103.2) when I checked it, but once we started meds, it went down. Not knowing originally what was going on, we did give her LA200 (thought she had an infection that was causing the temp to be raising). She did not have the hunching, did appear to have a belly ache, but that fact she was not eating (grain nor hay) triggered my concern. She lay around (last week it was warm sunny weather) but afterwards when I looked back on things, she would turn her head really slow, her eating was extremely slow. She was also doing the teeth grinding and when she chewed, it looked really weird (not natural). My expert help said that her brain was turning to mush without the B1 and that she has a horrible headache. That the polio starts affecting the neurological side and this is why she appeared to be teeth grinding (although we did check her mouth also). This made sense after thinking about her turning her head (like she had a migraine). We had to treat it aggressively, but she is better now. Took a week to get her back to par. Poor gal was like a pincushion. We actually got Thiamine from the Vet and gave it SubQ every 4 to 6 hours (even during the night). Before we got the Thiamine, we used Fortified Vit. B both SubQ and drench so that one works fast, the other works slowly. Also contemplated treating her for Listeriosis but my vet said not to use the penicillin on her (pregnant) so we only treated for the polio, worms and possible iron deficiency. And of course, she got Probios. Because we pulled her grain once she was sick, I felt bad so I started giving her yogart with live cultures because it had more volume than the Probios. She loved it, although it was a little messy -- ALL over her face! My gal did not have noisy lungs, cough, wheezy either. She did sound like she had a soft snore if you put your ear on her nose but very soft. She did not have any change in poops. I've read so many places on here and other goat sites about what different people's goats eat (out of the garden, fresh fruits and veggies, etc.) but then another person comes along and says OMG! Anyway, sounds like you are on the right track with your treatment. Treat aggressively and I was told, due to the pregnancy, to treat for 1 week with the Vit. B rather than just 4-5 days. Also told to pull her grain, add it back gradually after 5 days because whatever is in her belly must come out. Let the hay/browse do that. Just wanted you to know that we had this too and we live in Missouri also. However, Fox2News did say that animals can get flu (their own strain evidently), but it is not in Missouri right now. At least our gal is tame and easy to handle (she wasn't fond of all the shots though). Hope she gets better quickly. Of course, you know she will either be your new best friend or will be wilder than she is now. Oh well! Sandra
Post by HarmonyHill on Nov 18, 2009 10:07:35 GMT -5
Well she is eating hay today and her temp is 103.1. She still has a messy bottom but the poop is greenish and not black like I have seen with cocci. The feed she has been on since birth is medicated for cocci plus I have treated the whole herd in the drinking water with sulmet so I really don't think it is cocci. Has anyone seen mold poisioning symptoms? I did find a bale of hay that wasn't really moldy but smelled musty and was dusty. I wonder if hubby fed a bale that had some mold? I won't put her back on grain for a day or two and will just keep good fresh hay and water in front of her. I would still welcome any suggestions. Thanks!
Yes...musty or moldy hay can cause goat polio to set in. I had this happen a few years ago. Was out of town for work and had someone feeding my goats for me. When I got home I noticed the open bale had patches of moldy leaves in it. Sure enough...one of the kids came down with thiamin deficiency.
It sounds like she's on her way to recovery. Just watch the "nasty" poop. I believe that green normally signifies stomach upset. At this point, I think her diet of hay and water is the best bet.
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