Post by aussiegoatgirl on Jun 15, 2009 22:00:06 GMT -5
I'm new to this and in Australia. We've lost 6 goats in 14 weeks and have come to the conclusion that maybe it's Coccidiosis. The goats were all drenched and vaccinated, but Coccidiosis vaccines/drenches were not available at the Vet's (I have no idea why).
We lost 2 females and 4 males, with one intact male still surviving. The remaining male has been treated exactly the same as the other animals - same vaccinations, same drench.
The goats are enclosed in an approximately 2 acre paddock with nothing bad for them to eat.
What's really puzzling me is why this one male has never gotten sick. He was born and raised on a chicken farm - natural immunity perhaps?????
All the animals got sick after periods of extremely heavy rain - we're just coming out of the worst drought this country has seen in years.
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Post by angelsprite on Jun 16, 2009 1:13:37 GMT -5
Aussie, I know you are probably totally freaked out by diarreah and coccidia now, because you've seen what happens to the poor goats, but I can tell you that coccidia is one of the easiest disorders to treat in goats and you don't have to ever lose ONE SINGLE GOAT to coccidia.
All you have to do is administer Sulmet (a liquid) or SMZ-TMP (tabs that are dissolved in water) twice daily for five days. You have to provide electrolytes, preferably electrolytes that contain probiotics. If your electrolytes do not contain probiotics, probiotics should be provided about a half hour to one hour after administering the antibiotics.
You should not use yogurt as a probiotic. It only contains L. acidophalus cultures. Goats have many different bacteria in their digestive tract that need to be replaced and the balance must be maintained. That is why it's important to obtain probiotics intended for use in livestock from your feed store.
All of the gourmet mixes of herbs and spices and scour treatments will NOT stop coccidiosis unless the goat is treated with sulfa drugs. Sulmet and SMZ-TMP are two different forms of the same medication. Whichever kind you get, you can treat the goats and they will be fine. They should be pasty instead of watery by the second day and then firm by the third day. By the 5th day, generally, they are back to pellets.
Post by angelsprite on Jun 16, 2009 3:09:11 GMT -5
Aussie, Coccidia is a protazoan. It's always present in the environment. Goats usually suffer attacks of diarreah between 3 and 5 weeks of age, but I've seen them get it at any age right into to adulthood. My goats usually don't seem to have any trouble with it until they are between 2 and 4 months old. There are other potential causes, mostly bacterial, and most of those bacteria are susceptible to sulfa meds, so by treating for coccidia, you are actually treating for many other potential causes. Another potential cause is Clostridium Perforinges types C and D. Type D can be associated with blood in stool, but doesn't have to manifest with that particular symptom. To prevent those diseases, I vaccinate my goats with CD/T at 7 days (1 cc), 1 month old (2 cc), 2 months old (2 cc), 4 months old (2.5 cc), and 6 months (2.5 cc). After that, I revaccinate every 6 months (2.5 cc). I also vaccinate the does 5 or 6 weeks before they kid. I have had very good luck with that schedule and have not seen a single case of clostridium perforinges or tetanus in any of my goats.
One other thing. I usually worm any baby goats that start scouring the same day I give their first SMZ-TMP dose. I do that about 6 hours after the first SMZ-TMP dose. I use Ivomectin Cattle Injectable at a dosage of 1 cc to 45 lbs. I would have to hunt up my calculator to give it to you in kilograms. (Unit conversion factor 2.2lbs = 1kg). That way, I cover the possibilities.
I know many people like to try out new and different remedies, etc. I'm not one of them. I like to find something that works everytime and do that everytime. I don't like to experiment with my goat kids. I like to give them the right medications and watch them get all better.
I really hope you have no trouble obtaining the medications you need for your goats. It sounds like you've had a terrible time and I feel for you. Please post how your goats come through this. I'm sure everyone wants to hear how you and your goats are doing. Good luck to you and your goats.
Post by bugsy123in on Jun 16, 2009 10:26:15 GMT -5
Cocci is the most likely suspect in your case. I agree with the sulfa treatments (di meth or sulmet). I however don't vaccinate and have not had any ill effects from that as of this time so I can not speak to vaccinating. Cocci is specie specific.......... ie: chickens give it to chickens, and so on. It does live in the soil at all times and even in the animals. Usually stress of some sort is what sets it off....... say a wormy animal, weather (extreme wet, extreme dry), and just because one animal is down with it doesn't mean another will be...... even if they are eating the same field, feed or drinking the same water. But when I have more than one with it I always treat the whole herd to be on the safe side. Hope all get better soon.
I would also look at worms ? minerals ? weak goats are more likely to get coccdi ! maybe the billy just has genetic resistance to worms , so he dident get coccdi due to a good imune system/ I like to look at total health , wet weather could have set off a worm explosion ? you should check eye pink on all the goats you still have .
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Post by aussiegoatgirl on Jun 16, 2009 18:58:06 GMT -5
Thankyou all so much for your help. If someone had asked me a few years ago what I thought of goats - I wouldn't have had much to say in response. I'm so attached to my last billy goat - he was given to us 3 years ago and he's grown into such a big stong handsome boy (but a little sex crazed and apparently I smell good), that I'm loathe to give him away or lose him - what a sad sack I am.
We're a little isolated where we live. The local vet is a bit of a puppy and kitten vet and no help when it comes to livestock. We also have cattle and horses and no "real" vet to assist us. Makes life interesting to say the least.
Given that my last poor boy is all by himself in a 2 acre paddock, do I need to refence into smaller paddocks and rotate him between them. I really want to get him a couple of girlfriends, but I must admit to being extremely goat shy at present. It is no fun watching your animals die one by one and having the local (idiot) vet tell you to just keep drenching them - all to no avail.
We originally only had "Billy" the male. We were given "Jilly" a female (original name I know) and she had two kids with no dramas at all. We then rescued 3 goats from the local animal pound and saved them from being put down. So we ended up with 2 females, 2 male kids both castrated, and 2 castrated adult males from the pound, and of course Billy. Now all we have is Billy who's looking lonely and thinks he's my boyfriend!!!!!
Do any of you have contact with other goat breeders in Australia as this appears to be an American site?
Thanks again for all your help and my apologies for my moaning.
Post by angelsprite on Jun 17, 2009 2:08:27 GMT -5
Aussie, There is another member on this board that posted a few days ago and she is in Australia. Her sn is Keltia. Other than talking to her, the only other person I have talked to was a lady that works for a big goat farm, I think in Queensland. I haven't heard from her in a while.
Post by Rose's Goats on Jun 18, 2009 10:26:36 GMT -5
Hmm... the fact that some of the goats were fine and then they were dead quick makes me think of some sort of toxin. Did you give them any medications/new feed/treats/etc. before they started dying? Did all of them have diarrhea before death?
What did you vaccinate and drench them with? Could it have been a bad batch of stuff that did it? What exactly did you give them before they died? This might help narrow the possibilities. Did they all have access to plenty of fresh water? Sometimes if goats do not stay properly hydrated after medication they can die.
Post by angelsprite on Jun 22, 2009 18:23:30 GMT -5
Aussie, Get more goats. Keep going. I know it isn't fun when bad things happen, but you will gain experience and confidence as you go and you probably won't lose anymore that way. So, just get a couple of girls for your boy. It will make you and him very happy.