I have a male pygmy that had been doing strange things and we thought that he had, had a stroke until about a week ago, which we still thought he was having strokes until I spoke to a woman that lives close to me very knowledgeable about goats, most of the vets around me don't treat goats or know much and she is known around for her knowledge. Anyway after I called her and explained my situation she said that it sounded like goat polio to her and to treat him with pen. D and vit. B complex injections 2x a day for 5 days. Well, my 5 days are over and he still isn't up on his back feet and I'm just trying to seek some other knowledge around, mostly out of fear I suppose of calling her and her telling me the worst, a decision that I just don't want to have to make on my own of putting him down. He trys very hard with his front legs to get up, has a great appetite, and will drink but his back legs just aren't moving with him. I thought that they were just weak and have tried different things to try and help but especially his right rear leg if I hold him up he will let the hoof turn upside down and not set it correctly or anything but does have reflex in it if you stick it with a pin down by the hoof. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Should I keep giving him the B complex shots and if so IM or SQ it has been very confusing to me about how to give these the bottle on both says IM but anything that I read says SQ. Thanks for any suggestions and help.
B complex does not contain enough THIAMINE to cure polio. This little guy needs 2500 mg of thiamine today then another 1000 mg every day for atleast 10 days. To avoid stress and feelings of being a pin cushion you can give this orally. Keep him out of the sun with plenty of hay and fresh water.
You will have to get Thiamine from a vet (if you can't read on the back of your bcomplex bottle and see how much thiamine it contains give him up to 1000 mg of it orally) since he won't be needing the other vitamins that are in it you will probably notice his urine being yellow to orange and smell very funny....... that's ok he's just filtering out what he doesn't need. But it would be BEST to get straight Thiamine from a vet.
Thank you for your help. He is 15 months old, weighs about 40 lbs, he was wormed last week with the wormer that looks like the goat feed that I buy at our local feed store(he was already not using his legs when I gave it to him). He also gets hay and had been out in a field that he could eat fresh grass, brush etc, but don't have him in the field now. He hasn't had any of his shots, mostly due to me getting confused as to what he is really suppose to have. Now that I have had to learn to give him a shot anyway I have more courage to get it done myself. The B complex that I have has 100 mg of B1 (Thiamine) in it per cc. Is that what you mean for me to give him orally or do you mean for me to go get human vitamin form. Sorry that I sound so stupid with all of this, I just don't want to mess up anymore than I have apparently already. I do have a few other goats and had been told it wasn't contagious is there anything I should be doing differently with them, they all seem fine.
what about the actual feed you are giving him.. I know excessive amounts of grain can contribute to or lead to the goat polio if that is indeed what he has.. I had a young pygmy come down with it and my vet treated with huge amounts of antibiotic and thiamine and this goat was on the brink of death.. actually having mild seizures and had went totally blind.. that seems to be a characteristic I have heard is loss of eyesight.. after one dose of meds the goat was able to stand and was kept quiet in very confined dark area.. after the third dose she was nearly back to normal and it seemed to take a week or so for eyesight to come totally back.. anyway watch the sweet feeds.. don't need more than a handful if that provided you are giving quality hay/browse minerals and clean fresh water.. I was thinking maybe a dose of bose or at least selenium gel might help too...
I have never delt with goat polio, but from what I understand bugsy is correct , that would be 10 cc orally daily for 10 days, or call your vet and get thiamain, this could also be lack of selium as well , sel is vet only, you can find doses for all meds in the one click refrence section under med cabnet, loose minerals play a large roll in goat health and you need to look at your minerals, I use sweetlix 16.8 meatmaker loose, sounds like you also need to look at learning about worming as well, minerals and worming were my biggest problems when i started with goats. If you have good mineral good pasture good hoof care and a good worming knowledge your problems will be next to none.
Who turned on the eletric fence without telling me? X#!
You haven't "messed" anything up, it sounds like you are doing what we all did in the beginning...... struggling to learn the woes of an animal that most vets don't even understand. You are correct this is not "contagious" but you can see it in more than one in your herd (not to scare you) About all you can do is make sure you are not over feeding........ keep hay and bedding free of mold (yes even bedding matters because goats will root thru anything to find a snack).
You have the vitamin correct that I am looking for........ in that case give him 5 cc 3 times a day the first day (sorry forgot you said pygmy so I've scaled back the dosage). Then give 5cc twice a day until better and for 4-5 days after.
Is he eating hay and drinking water??? Does he lay on his side and curl his head back over himself appearing to stare at the ceiling?? How long did you have him before he went down on his legs and how quickly....... did he get wobbly or just go down and refuse to get up??
Post by Rose's Goats on Oct 8, 2008 6:40:29 GMT -5
You give him the B complex orally by sucking the dose up in a syringe with a needle, removing the needle, then sticking the syringe in the goat's mouth. Push the plunger slowly so the goat doesn't inhale the liquid. This is also called "drenching".
He still isn't up on his back legs. I have no idea how long that it is suppose to possibly take for him to come back around. Does anyone know how long I should be expecting it to be? He gets up on his front legs and will pull himself around alittle here and there and I can tell he wants to be all the way up and it just breaks my heart to watch him. Last weekend I had put him in a make shift sling and want to try that again to see if it will help anything but I have to make a new one. Thank you for your support and advice.
for a sling , take a bed sheet fold it in half, sew up both sides , insert poles or 2x4 into the sides like a stretcher , cut leg holes for the size goats you have, cut 4 ropes tie one to each corner, of the poles and hang the goat from the rafters of the barn so his feet can touch the floor, ( if it is a billy you may need a hole for his scrotum) Did you find out if it was polio or selenum problems? what are you giving him and what dose? is he any better? we need to know if he is inproving.
Post by missourigal on Oct 12, 2008 18:46:21 GMT -5
I would keep a eye on him, with him down like that pneumonia might set in.. I agree with Donnie on the this one, just something to get him up, and by him in sling maybe his back legs will get stronger and along with his treatment.. Sounds like he needs some Selenium & Vit. E or BoSo
missourigal life is like a box of chocolate's you never know which one you will get !!!!!!
Post by bugsy123in on Oct 14, 2008 12:34:45 GMT -5
You should have seen some improvements by now if it's polio and you were giving high dose thiamine appropriately. Would probably be advisable to contact a vet and see if he can give you a better diagnosis.
Sorry that I haven't gotten back sooner, we had out of town company for the last several days and also trying to sort through what a vet told me. The vet that I spoke to went through a goat book and also with her knowledge had said too that if it were goat polio or listerosis that what I had done prior to finding this site and the advice I received on here that I should of seen more improvement by now. Other than that, it could that he could possibly have a brain abscess (not that, that is any better) or inner ear infection(not much hope in that with the antibiotic already given). Needless to say the other option that I was given and that just hurts to much to think of especially with it being a goat using the word slaughter(it was what was used in the book they had) is hard to take right now and wish I knew what the best thing to do was. I really had hope when I first got on here because of reading how some had, had goats on the brink of death and they got all better, somehow I guess that doesn't seem to work with me with dogs or goats. I had to finally agree to let our dog be put to sleep last June, then these little guys were born a few weeks later. It was a set of boys, Rowdy( this little guy) and Rocky his bigger brother. They are my first babies. Not knowing that they can produce babies at such a young age and not getting them fixed like I had wanted in the proper timing, one of them got their mom pregnant(which I feel stupid about because I didn't even know that she was until my husband came in the house one morning saying Dixie had babies), she had another set of twins a girl and boy but the boy didn't make it but for a few hours after we found them. The little girl is fine. They were born just 2 days before my daughters wedding in April so it was a extremely busy time. What I really like about Mom and daughter is that they were both born hornless. Well, sorry this is so long. I just wanted to thank all of you for your support and give you a little background of how we got started, not that we are a farm just a few pets. Thank you all so much again.